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--- components:intro [2021/09/20 09:54] – gchandler
+++ components:intro [2022/02/25 10:03] (current) – [Mountain Bike Components] mtbtimeline
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 Similar timelines have been attempted elsewhere:
   * **[[http://mombatbicycles.com/MOMBAT/BikeHistoryPages/Timeline.html|mombat]]** : simple text, no pics or links
-  * **[[https://velobase.com/default.aspx|velobase]]** : comprehensive - but too much info to make a visual timeline.  mtbtimeline will rely upon velobase when it can.  Velobase is very road bike centric and is missing most mountain components.
+  * **[[https://velobase.com/default.aspx|velobase]]** : comprehensive - but too much info to make a visual timeline.  mtbtimeline will rely upon velobase when it can.  Velobase is very road bike centric and is missing some mountain components.
-  * **[[http://www.vintage-trek.com/component_dates.htm?fbclid=IwAR2QXKgdpoZVKuTj1n_8FpjAjGHOwyf7T93p5p37P0jSYJn3KMIk8NOTnsk|vintage-trek]]** : dating by code.  Good idea.  Many sites give serial number decoders, which is vital.  Should be sed in addition to this visual component timeline.
+  * **[[http://www.vintage-trek.com/component_dates.htm?fbclid=IwAR2QXKgdpoZVKuTj1n_8FpjAjGHOwyf7T93p5p37P0jSYJn3KMIk8NOTnsk|vintage-trek]]** : dating by code.  Good idea.  Many sites give serial number decoders, which is vital.  Should be used in addition to this visual component timeline.
   * **[[https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site/disraeli_gears_-_a_derailleur_collection.html|disraeligears]]** : Rear derailleurs only.  A nice example of how to make components visually cool.
   * **[[https://mombatbicycles.com/Suntour.htm|mombat SunTour museum]]**: all the pics and links are dead.
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 **Timeline Date Skew**
-This timeline jumps two years, to be from 1978->1987.  The earliest mountain bikes are so rare that dating them by components is a non-issue.  When dating a 1985 bike it's helpful to have 1986 and 1987 components on the timeline.  Some pre-1978 components used:
+This timeline starts a few years after the MTB timelime, to be from 1978->1991.  The earliest mountain bikes are so rare that dating them by components is a non-issue.  When dating a 1989 bike it's helpful to have 1990 and 1991 components on the timeline.  Some pre-1978 components used:
   * [[breezer:start#jbx1|1977 Breezer #1]]: SunTour Cyclone rear, SunTour VX front, TA cranks.
   * [[cc:start#ccproto|1978 CCPROTO]]: Shimano DuraAce rear, no front, DuraAce cranks
   * [[lawwill:start|1978 Lawwill-Knight Pro Cruiser]]: Shimano 600 EX GS rear, Suntour Vx front, SR Apex cranks
+** Quick links **
+  * [[https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site/suntour_derailleurs.html|Suntour rear derailleurs]]
+  * [[https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site/shimano_derailleurs.html|Shimano rear derailleurs]]
+  * [[https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site/sachs-huret_derailleurs.html|Sachs Huret rear derailleurs]]
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-[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopace|Biopace]] first showed up in 1984 on road [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupset|gruppos]] only.  It wasn't until 1986 that biopace infected mountain chainrings in the [[https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=D529E215-25E1-4BA3-AE8A-62295F689017&Enum=115&AbsPos=0|Deore XT]] group set.  However, Ritchey used the road [[https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=f6e74fd2-417d-4154-a7c2-af9e1392a018&Enum=115|600EX]] crankset, back when such things were compatible ((Today, road and mountain components don't get along.  See this table on [[http://blog.artscyclery.com/science-behind-the-magic/science-behind-the-magic-drivetrain-compatibility/|cable pull]].))  So, the biopace is period correct.  The chainstay mounted u-brakes, however, are very avant-garde for 1985 ((See Sheldon Brown's critique on this doomed [[https://www.sheldonbrown.com/canti-u.html#u|fad]])).  However, there is precedent for Annapurnas to use these: [[https://ritchey.vintagebicycledatabase.com/bike.php?id=72|Ritchey DB]].  So again, period
+[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopace|Biopace]] first showed up in 1984 on road [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupset|gruppos]] only.  It wasn't until 1986 that biopace infected mountain chainrings in the [[https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=D529E215-25E1-4BA3-AE8A-62295F689017&Enum=115&AbsPos=0|Deore XT]] group set.  However, Ritchey used the road [[https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=f6e74fd2-417d-4154-a7c2-af9e1392a018&Enum=115|600EX FC-2606]] crankset, back when such things were compatible ((Today, road and mountain components don't get along.  See this table on [[http://blog.artscyclery.com/science-behind-the-magic/science-behind-the-magic-drivetrain-compatibility/|cable pull]].))  So, the biopace is period correct.  The chainstay mounted u-brakes, however, are very avant-garde for 1985 ((See Sheldon Brown's critique on this doomed [[https://www.sheldonbrown.com/canti-u.html#u|fad]])).  However, there is precedent for Annapurnas to use these: [[https://ritchey.vintagebicycledatabase.com/bike.php?id=72|Ritchey DB]].  So again, period
  correct.
-{{ nuovo.jpg?300 }}
-Campagnolo Nuovo Record  [[https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site/campagnolo_nuovo_record_1020a_pat81_derailleur.html|disraeligears]]
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-** Why is Campagnolo missing from the table? **
+**Component Serial Numbers**
-\\
-Before 1990, Campagnolo was not interested in anything other than racing bikes racing on flat roads.  Many Campy derailleur were fitted to early mountan bikes - briefly((The [[http://mombatbicycles.com/MOMBAT/Bikes/1982_Salsa_Scoboni.html|Salsa Scoboni]] was spec'd with Nuovo Records, and likely couldn't go uphill)) - before being swapped with derailleurs that had practical gearing and durability.
+Courtesy of [[https://vintagecannondale.com]]:
-<blockquote>
-The parallelogram geometry is not optimised for gear changing - Campagnolo was never overly interested in the idea of ‘chain gap’. The Nuovo Record does not like low gears.
+  * Shimano: [[https://vintagecannondale.com/info/shimano/]]
-<cite>
+  * SunTour: [[https://vintagecannondale.com/info/suntour/]]
-[[https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site/campagnolo_nuovo_record_1020a_pat81_derailleur.html|disraeligears]]
+  * Campagnolo: [[https://vintagecannondale.com/info/campagnolo/]]
-</cite>
-</blockquote>
+**Index Shifting**
+The 1985 release of [[https://www.rideshimano.com/unitedKingdom/en/History-of-Shimano/|Dura-Ace 7400]] saw the first index shifting which trickled into every model and brand of rear derailleur over the next few years, requiring new models to support the changing requirements.  No rear derailleur on sale in 1986 existed without change by 1989.((SunTour especially suffered a decline with the introduction of SIS and with no decent indexed gruppo of its own, SunTour went bankrupt in 1987, sold itself to Sakae Ringyo, losing focus, reselling itself again and finally closing its component line in 1995.  See [[https://web.archive.org/web/20081205181751/http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hadland/page35.htm|Sunset for SunTour]] by Frank Berto.))  For a history of mountain bike technology, see the [[tech:start|tech timeline]].
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